Dave wrote: Ill repeat myself for the final time, i never once said i am going to do the project but speaking hypotheticially
and being open minded.

Wasnt a thumbsuck but was mistaken ID

Thanks for your part of the arguement Mammon, maybe the next time you come onto the site, maybe you
can add some educational benefit for the newbies instead of just coming on to stur some trouble and
judging other members character.

Guess we are done, which is sad as i was always fond of you and valued your advice, hince
the reason i GAVE you a Subfusca breeding trio.

But good luck to you too. :thumbsup:

I did educate the newbies ...... Dont believe what Dave says just because he is a moderator or whatever that colour means :happy:

I don't understand this, Thanasi was against hybridizing the whole time, he knew his female was going to molt out. What we trying to argue are our desires, on the one hand we desire to hybridize (dave) and the other we desire not to (Thanasi). I'm not defending anyone but Thanasi was against it even when he mated the Ts and he didn't know they were 2 separate species. The problem is when you desire to hybridize... Sorry if it sounds like I'm taking sides but I also think hybridizing is just a bad idea if you look at it realistically and as a whole.

what must the Newbies not believe Thanasi?

mammon wrote:

cascade wrote: They have been classed as different species.

G. porteri NCF
G. rosea RCF, Described By: Walckenaer, 1837
Not sure if the changes has been published?
Maybe Hendrik or Dimitri or the Duke could help with this topic?

So i see nobody is looking at the dates but this was written by Duke 2 years ago on the bad mammon thread and hopefully he can give some feedback cause im not sure how Cascade,Dimitri or Hendrik are involved with the worldwide reclassification of tarantulas
DUKE on 'Bad Mammon' 2 years+ ago:
Still waiting on the Fernando Perez-Miles paper to be published but from what i can remember the main difference (aside from the colour) is that porteri (rosea NCF) have more well developed stridulating lyra on the coxa.
So at worst you are trying to hybridize two seperate species and at best you are attempting intraspecific hybridization which in my humble opinion is just as bad.

JA I don't know either, but it is what I was told and people around the world started using the different names given to the spiders.
So we wait!

T-rad wrote: I don't understand this, Thanasi was against hybridizing the whole time, he knew his female was going to molt out.

LoL, did you see how many question marks i put in the Title so people would know i am asking if its wrong ???????
Guess it was missed by some ?
Lets not go off topic anymore.
Cheers again and good luck to all.

You can take sides T Rad, doesnt phase me in the slightest.

I am man enough, that yes I would love some special Hybrids, if i got something unique, i would
love to show off to the public what is possible with Hybridizing. Doesnt necessarly mean that I am
going to hybrid, but everyone can think what they want, and judge of what they think
im going to do. :thumbsup:

My point what people fail to miss is that, I fail to believe that a member can honestly
say that a hybrid of something unique does not interest them? Regardless if its for
scientific reason or not.

And yes, mistakes do happen, IF rosea and porteri are two different, that mistake happens
often but none the less, Hybrids will continue to happen if we like it or not.