Ceratogyrus wrote: Hope you positively ID them as the same species before attempting to breed.

They are brother and sister Cerat. So definitely the same species. It is one of the many questions I asked the seller.

Shane Visser wrote:

Ceratogyrus wrote: Hope you positively ID them as the same species before attempting to breed.

They are brother and sister Cerat. So definitely the same species. It is one of the many questions I asked the seller.

Ok. Would be interesting to see some more guesses on the species.
thebts.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?7823-Species-ID

In response to the link above, where one person posted verspertinus as a possibility:

I have been doing alot of reading up on antinous over the last few days, for obvious reasons. The abundance of red setae on the abdomen and back legs, are a marker for the peruvian form of P. antinous. If it wasn't for the male, it would be almost impossible to get any kind of ID from the photos I posted, but the male conforms to quite a few pics I've seen of juvie P. antinous. Not that photos are in any way an accurate form of identification.

Ceratogyrus wrote:

Shane Visser wrote:

Ceratogyrus wrote: Hope you positively ID them as the same species before attempting to breed.

They are brother and sister Cerat. So definitely the same species. It is one of the many questions I asked the seller.

Ok. Would be interesting to see some more guesses on the species.
thebts.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?7823-Species-ID

Hehe, I think the phrase "Spanner in the works" will be applicable here.

I think we need someone to do some DNA testing and everyone to keep clear records of what they buy, when, from who, etc. so that future confusion is avoided.
I am sure someone on the forum (I have a specific person in mind here ) can arrange some DNA testing and microscope time if we ask nice enough. Even if it just an excuse to visit the facilities. *wink* * wink* *nudge* *nudge*

By looking at the BTS pictures submitted, the colour balance difference is clearly visible while looking at the substrate. Cameras (especially mik-en-druk) are known for large variance in colour and white balance. Even using a decent DSLR on auto can have large differences between shots. Slight variation in ISO, shutter speed, F-stop, lighting conditions in the room,etc. will make the reproduction of coloration hard to match the natural colour. So yes Shane, using pictures to confirm the species is sometimes very inaccurate and unreliable. Some species are clearly what they seem to be, but we are still waiting on decent photos of the rumored blue curlies.

Although hybridization is possible, if they are different species, the chances are higher that they will kill each other. Well, that is what I heard. Never heard of anyone successfully breeding an A albopilosum and G pulchripes for example. Closer relatives such as brachys could hybridize into something else, but looking at what is in the hobby, that has happened before and we are buying some brachys as a species that is probably a natural hybrid. We get the same with cats and dogs all the time. Referring to a pavement special here

Worst case,you have some purdy Ts in your collection, or one fat female after attempting to breed them.

Schalk, those T's aren't going anywhere near a lab. LOL!

I replied to the thread Cerat posted, but I'll ask here as well.

Which species of Pamphobeteus lack the typical xmas tree markings? I know antinous is one of them, but can't remember the others.

Vespertinus has those markings, so that rules out that particular species.