Taki wrote: Obviously they are VERY important but you're missing my point, if the ventral markings are uniformly black, does that ensure that they are the same species??? Imo not

They are most definately not uniformly black.
They have white bands on them.
And until we have DNA testing, that makes all pokies with that same ventral leg pattern the same species according to papers written which describe them.

So what is your take on the variations in size (with the 'lowland' form generally getting larger and the differing husbandry temp limits for the two different 'forms')?

Taki wrote: So what is your take on the variations in size (with the 'lowland' form generally getting larger and the differing husbandry temp limits for the two different 'forms')?

Spiders found in different areas could definately grow to different sizes. They are suited to different conditions which would influence their size.
In Southern Africa we have C.brachycephalus which can grow anything from 8cm mature to 15cm mature depending on where you find them.
Or A.junodi also has vast size differences.
Just look at the baboon spider facebook page which has a great picture of A.junodi differences in size: www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150301...59810&type=1&theater

Credit for the picture is Patrick Gildenhuys

As for temps, the spiders do fine at our room temperatures, but obviously they will flourish in temperatures they are naturally found at like C.brachycephalus would in its range between Limpopo and Namibia

Ok and have you seen Steevens Droguet's pics on a BTS thread (post #11)? He confirmed in post#15 that they are both females btw...
thebts.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?3265-a-blue-P-subfusca/page2
I find it really hard to swallow that those are not two different species..... obviously I could be wrong and Ray Gabriel is definately of the opinion that they are not different, it's all just my personal opinion at the end of the day!

Taki wrote: Ok and have you seen Steevens Droguet's pics on a BTS thread (post #11)? He confirmed in post#15 that they are both females btw...
thebts.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?3265-a-blue-P-subfusca/page2
I find it really hard to swallow that those are not two different species..... obviously I could be wrong and Ray Gabriel is definately of the opinion that they are not different, it's all just my personal opinion at the end of the day!

Your link doesn't work.
Luckily we all have our own opinions.
If they do go for sale, I will obviously notify the buyer of the colour forms and no one is forced to buy them.

Ok the link works now, not even the white leg markings are the same on the two forms......