I didn't say they were new species!!! You keep missing my points, things do change and there's every chance that someone will properly describe the whole Poecilotheria species, indeed I believe someone is laready at an advanced stage doing so.....

Ceratogyrus wrote:

Taki wrote: So after he confirmed that fact, you're basically saying he's lying?
To me they look maybe a moult or two apart in size, I can't see that compensating for the differences..... time will tell I'm sure!

Yip. Adult subfusca's have white folio's on the dorsal side of their abdomens without the dark line as shown in that pic. So either that spider is a lot "smaller" or else it is a sub adult male.
How many subfusca's do you own?

I own none, how many do you own or how many have you owned?

Taki wrote: I didn't say they were new species!!! You keep missing my points, things do change and there's every chance that someone will properly describe the whole Poecilotheria species, indeed I believe someone is laready at an advanced stage doing so.....

Then at least use examples that illustrate your point?
Well then we wait for the descriptions. Should be interesting.

I have owned quite a few through the years, and that's why I can tell from first hand experience that the "dark form" in that link is either immature or male.

I would also like a subfusca, which ever form don't mind.

Ceratogyrus wrote:

Taki wrote:

Ceratogyrus wrote:

Taki wrote: So Cenotaph would you happily buy a B boehmei/B baumgarteni hybrid as well for example?

Don't think she would, but what does that have to do with a P.subfusca crossed with a P.subfusca?

Absolutely nothing I guess, if however the two forms get described as different in the near future, that comment will look rather silly

IF they do. This has been going on for years and no one could prove anything yet, so only time will tell.
If any other spiders that anyone has bred in the past, get separated into different species in the future, there is not much that we can do about it at the moment is there?

At this stage they are the same species, and have been so for a number of years (After being synonomised (P.bara = P.subfusca), so I am more than happy to breed them.
Not that I am against hybridizing anyway (But that is an entirely different thread that was beaten half to death a few weeks ago. )

Well that's the crux of the matter, I do not condone or agree with hybridising so we'll never agree on this one....

Politics. This is worse than a Cabinet Meeting. Anyways, I think everyone here is missing the point. The point is that Cerat might be succesful in breeding P. Subfusca's. I for one couldn't give a rats bollocks if a Tarantula is a Hybrid blah blah blah. We aren't going to release them into the wild, the females won't somehow mutate into a different species and it is the breeders choice to do what he wants. If he want's to breed G. rosea NCF and RCF then let him do it. It's his choice. He owns them so get over yourselves. If Cerat is going to breed the "Highland" and "Lowland" forms together then let him do it.

We also seem to fail to rememeber that there are countless animals that occur all over the world and while they may look different they are in fact the same species.
Ignore these purists Cerat. There is no evidence to suggest they are not different species.
@Taki: Um clearly Ceratogyrus owns 1 or 2 as he is going to attempt to breed with them. Still he owns more than you so he has more experience than you with this species.

Please people, this is the reason this site has been so dormant for so long. I see maybe five posts a day these days. Can't we just stop all this fighting?