entomology wrote: Now Jake ( cascade is surprised that metallica eat advancing instar, but his friend Ceratogyrus admits canabalism inside the sack as first instar's emerge eating EWL???!! So why they ask the questions they already know. One is surprised of canabalism and the other admits tarantulas have "jaws" lo lol and eat at second instar then he further says they only eat at 3 rd instar?!!! Contradiction on the highest level!!!


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Ray, again i'm asking a simple question, not surprised, We are here to learn about our spiders and not take pot shots at each other heads. to make and have discussion so if by the powers of greyskull ( HE-MAN ) we learn something new about our spiders we can share it across the board.

Another question what I will pose to you, if you have to think about this, if P. metallica are communal species and give great success in doing so, surely then you don't have to separate them, you can leave them be in a communal setup from the word go or leave them together for longer?

Making sure they have enough food of course, yes you will lose the odd few to cannibalism but surely not all of them.

Ok point taken. Canabalism happens due to "hunger" low numbers and confined space and limited food it's as simple as that.The the growth rate of ur tarantula can be "sped"up by heat. Canabalism is described as eating of the same species irrespective of size. I was just surprised to hear 1st instar eating EWL and then making the same statement saying they eat only at 3rd instar. I started separating mine at second instar some time ago because I noticed with bigger numbers and all together it triggers "canabalism" between second and third instar and I have no mortalities. They are eating and submitted the picture. I was just surprised u got involved in a "topic" at the last on that forum only getting the last few sentences being discussed and based ur opinion on that since u only registered there in January this year and yesterday made ur first post?? I just found it "odd" as las time yourself and Ceratogyrus enjoyed persuing my threads and steering them totally off topic . When I start a topic I would like to stick to it and not deviate as that defeats the purpose. Martin is knowledgeable in " the hobby" don't underestimate him. To be technical spiders don't have "jaws" more like fang like appendages used for grasping, climbing , immobilizing prey, defense and minipulating prey.


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I have put food in with second instar before, when I noticed canabalism within the group of slings. I then seowrated and problem solved. Why must I increase the risk of mortality if I can intervene and increase the mortality rates ?! And save them all. Why lose 20 metallica from a sack if u can separate and save those 20 and they get eaten not because they weak but because it's instinctive to eat each other when they are limited to food supplies and eat each other.


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Metallica as slings cannot differentiate between food or other spiders , separation for a couple Of few weeks or month and re introduce them then they are about 5cm or so they then know know the difference between the 2 .


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cascade wrote: Ray, regardless of how many egg sacks you have or don't have that has got nothing to do with a simple question. (Well done on the amount of eggs you got, that is great stuff for you so lets leave it out of future conversations)

Have you documented the spiders (pictures taken by you ) of them eating the roaches that you have pictured above?

Normally one only feeds the slings once they have molted into little spider-lings.
And Cannibalism in my opinion is different from hunting and catching a prey item running around the enclosure.

From 2nd instr they start cannibalizing each other it happens but the question put forward to you, have they started eating the feeding items you have given them yet? and yes we know they have started eating each other but i'm more interested in the roaches being eaten than the cannibalism of each other.

If you and Martin are going to be so accurate about the "Jaw" thing then please use the correct terminology that would be used to describe that area of the mouth and lips?? I'm sure it is much easier to say jaws than get all technical?
And the scary thing is people understand that without having to sound all smart.

And please refrain from mention other topics that have no grounds on this forum and please refrain from attacking Cerarogyrus as he is not able to defend or make an argument on the forum.

Hello Jake
I will say anything that I feel need be,could you please show where this is not allowed and described in detail in the rules of this forum ? If I want to substantiate something I may use any form necessary, or is this not allowed yet again ? Coming from this forum to the other, to join in on the topic which cerat himself made numerous mistakes in what he said is okay as long as it doesn't happen here ? That seems a bit one sided, unless I'm missing something and never before that did you post once since being a member from January . When stating using correct terminology after it was pointed out about the jaw thing, could you explain the lip example since it doesn't have bearing on the wrong wording used mouth I can still accept. When I stated fangs, is that now not allowed or terminologically incorrect ? Also, I've not used profanity or insult, but merely mentioned what happened. In your own statement above, you used my name along side entomology and took me on as well because of cerat. Shouldn't you yourself be an example and impartial ? If I've done something wrong according to forum rules, please state so and I will apologize and gladly take my punishment. Sorry to say,I see straight through everything that's happened the last few days.

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Guys can we please all just chill a second... Everyone is quick to assume things as usual.

My opinion here is that with Poecilotheria metallica because there are so few eggs to start off with they will tend to cannibalise each other so that the strongest survive. I would think that if all survived/split at 2nd instar you would get fatalities anyway later on.

Keep the conversation simple guys and stop assuming who said what.