The Magnificent Duke wrote: They are clearly both different species. The brown one is P. hindei and the orange one is P. mamillatus. I know this for a fact because the same hobbyist that resurrected P. bara told me so.

Haha.

On a more scientific note, do you have any idea why Kirk synonymised bara and subfusca, Duke?

Edit: Sorry, the obvious answer would be because they are the same species, but what characteristics was he looking at when he decided. If there was anything specific.

He does not mention any specific characters only that it was essentially a very large female of P. subfusca. However, before that he does say that the only stable features in the genus are the ventral leg markings as the spermathecae are to primative and the palpal bulb & stridulating organs show variation even within a species. So I can only assume that the leg markings were one of the main deciding factors.

Ok, that's what I assumed (The leg patterns)
Thanks.

So that now raises even more questions of how you can decide (describe) with just leg patterns right? Most say that colour is not enough on its own then how is a leg pattern good enough? Hmmm interesting take on this topic.

Edit: How did the first two get described on what details?

Dimitri wrote: So that now raises even more questions of how you can decide (describe) with just leg patterns right? Most say that colour is not enough on its own then how is a leg pattern good enough? Hmmm interesting take on this topic.

The Magnificent Duke wrote: He does not mention any specific characters only that it was essentially a very large female of P. subfusca. However, before that he does say that the only stable features in the genus are the ventral leg markings as the spermathecae are to primative and the palpal bulb & stridulating organs show variation even within a species. So I can only assume that the leg markings were one of the main deciding factors.

If that's the only defining characteristics and separates all the other species, then I don't see why it's not good enough.